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	<title>Comments on: sound business: music, remixes and how our society is dealing with them</title>
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		<title>By: Brian L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Evin that &quot;remix and its consequent mass digital distribution can be controlled.&quot; As remixes and mash-ups become more prevalent, companies and interest groups will have to pick their battles and/or offer a realistic legal avenue by which to sample songs. If Girltalk could pay $5 dollars a song, for instance, I don&#039;t think there would be much controversy. However, in the status-quo, where Girtlalk would have to pay over a million dollars to sample just a few seconds of music for just ONE mash-up, it would be impossible to persuade him to pursue the legal route, particularly when fair use doctrine is so unclear when it comes to sampling (outside of the 6th District).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Evin that &#8220;remix and its consequent mass digital distribution can be controlled.&#8221; As remixes and mash-ups become more prevalent, companies and interest groups will have to pick their battles and/or offer a realistic legal avenue by which to sample songs. If Girltalk could pay $5 dollars a song, for instance, I don&#8217;t think there would be much controversy. However, in the status-quo, where Girtlalk would have to pay over a million dollars to sample just a few seconds of music for just ONE mash-up, it would be impossible to persuade him to pursue the legal route, particularly when fair use doctrine is so unclear when it comes to sampling (outside of the 6th District).</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dan that often part of the appeal of sampling/mashing up a work is in its popularity/prominence. This ties into a theory espoused by scholars such as Terry Fisher and Michael Maddow called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/tfisher/music/Semiotic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;semiotic democracy&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Consumers] &quot;recode&quot; cultural and even industrial commodities in ways that better serve their particular needs and interests, and &quot;rework&quot; them to express meanings different from the ones intended or preferred by their producers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Semiotic democracy acknowledges that it is the appeal of popular culture and its universality that results in creators&#039; desire to appropriate and modify it. Should the law allow such recoding through some kind of transformative work exception, similar to the parody doctrine, in fair use? Should the transformative use of a popular work be given more deference than the the transformative use of an uknown work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dan that often part of the appeal of sampling/mashing up a work is in its popularity/prominence. This ties into a theory espoused by scholars such as Terry Fisher and Michael Maddow called <a href="http://www.law.harvard.edu/faculty/tfisher/music/Semiotic.html" rel="nofollow">semiotic democracy</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Consumers] &#8220;recode&#8221; cultural and even industrial commodities in ways that better serve their particular needs and interests, and &#8220;rework&#8221; them to express meanings different from the ones intended or preferred by their producers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Semiotic democracy acknowledges that it is the appeal of popular culture and its universality that results in creators&#8217; desire to appropriate and modify it. Should the law allow such recoding through some kind of transformative work exception, similar to the parody doctrine, in fair use? Should the transformative use of a popular work be given more deference than the the transformative use of an uknown work?</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Kamdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adi Kamdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as allowing works to be permanent open invitation for remixes, it depends. I, as the rights holder, can specifically give you rights to remix my song. But if I license my work under a CC license, then no--I can&#039;t choose. And if I change my mind and go back to a more restrictive license, then, if you got the song back in its CC days, you can still remix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as allowing works to be permanent open invitation for remixes, it depends. I, as the rights holder, can specifically give you rights to remix my song. But if I license my work under a CC license, then no&#8211;I can&#8217;t choose. And if I change my mind and go back to a more restrictive license, then, if you got the song back in its CC days, you can still remix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Evin McMullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evin McMullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question--once an artist allows his or her work to be remixed, is it a permanent open invitation for remixes?  Can people selectively grant the right to mash-up?

And as for how different a song needs to be to be considered &quot;new,&quot; well, that&#039;s a tough one.  It&#039;s hard to quantify just how much difference there is between songs.  Is it a particular chord progression?  A rhythm?  A sequence of key changes?  It seems impossible to set a hard-and-fast rule, because so many songs share so many traits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question&#8211;once an artist allows his or her work to be remixed, is it a permanent open invitation for remixes?  Can people selectively grant the right to mash-up?</p>
<p>And as for how different a song needs to be to be considered &#8220;new,&#8221; well, that&#8217;s a tough one.  It&#8217;s hard to quantify just how much difference there is between songs.  Is it a particular chord progression?  A rhythm?  A sequence of key changes?  It seems impossible to set a hard-and-fast rule, because so many songs share so many traits.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, that last sentence is some seriously wishful thinking.

I think it&#039;s notable that the only remixes (or mash-ups) that we&#039;ve really discussed have taken their source material from relatively famous artists, whether the remixers themselves are obscure or already commercially successful. What happens when someone remixes a song that&#039;s not well-known, and makes it popular? Does the remixer have some sort of claim to the profits, because they popularized it? Or can the original songwriter lay claim to their original work? How different does the remix have to be in order for it to be considerd a &quot;new work&quot;?

I definitely don&#039;t have the answer to these questions – just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, that last sentence is some seriously wishful thinking.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s notable that the only remixes (or mash-ups) that we&#8217;ve really discussed have taken their source material from relatively famous artists, whether the remixers themselves are obscure or already commercially successful. What happens when someone remixes a song that&#8217;s not well-known, and makes it popular? Does the remixer have some sort of claim to the profits, because they popularized it? Or can the original songwriter lay claim to their original work? How different does the remix have to be in order for it to be considerd a &#8220;new work&#8221;?</p>
<p>I definitely don&#8217;t have the answer to these questions – just some food for thought.</p>
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