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		<title>By: Ben S</title>
		<link>http://ipinthedigitalage.com/popeye-in-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adi &amp; Carolyn: Lessig in &lt;a href=&quot;www.free-culture.cc/freeculture.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free Culture&lt;/a&gt; actually writes about the most conservative possible renewal system; he proposed in 2003 that a $1 fee be required to renew a copyright at 50 years, and every 10 years thereafter (the discussion starts at page 256, if you&#039;re interested).  He got a representative to draft the bill; it made no changes to the existing system, except to allow 50-year-old works to pass into the public domain if they were not renewed.  The idea was endorsed by all kinds of people (notably Steve Forbes, who wrote a major editorial about it).

Jack Valenti and the MPAA mobilized, and lobbied strongly against the bill.  Their arguments were extremely weak, which led Lessig to the conclusion he presents in the book: that the industry&#039;s concern isn&#039;t about protecting their content.  They were interested in stifling potential competition from the public domain; culture derived from public domain works would compete with culture derived from their copyrighted works.  The industry exists because it&#039;s a monopoly, and they&#039;re afraid of anything that would diminish it.

I don&#039;t necessarily agree with his conclusion (it&#039;s a little extreme, though the evidence is interesting), but it&#039;s an illustration of just how far the lobbyists are willing to go to defend their monopolies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adi &amp; Carolyn: Lessig in <a href="www.free-culture.cc/freeculture.pdf" rel="nofollow">Free Culture</a> actually writes about the most conservative possible renewal system; he proposed in 2003 that a $1 fee be required to renew a copyright at 50 years, and every 10 years thereafter (the discussion starts at page 256, if you&#8217;re interested).  He got a representative to draft the bill; it made no changes to the existing system, except to allow 50-year-old works to pass into the public domain if they were not renewed.  The idea was endorsed by all kinds of people (notably Steve Forbes, who wrote a major editorial about it).</p>
<p>Jack Valenti and the MPAA mobilized, and lobbied strongly against the bill.  Their arguments were extremely weak, which led Lessig to the conclusion he presents in the book: that the industry&#8217;s concern isn&#8217;t about protecting their content.  They were interested in stifling potential competition from the public domain; culture derived from public domain works would compete with culture derived from their copyrighted works.  The industry exists because it&#8217;s a monopoly, and they&#8217;re afraid of anything that would diminish it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with his conclusion (it&#8217;s a little extreme, though the evidence is interesting), but it&#8217;s an illustration of just how far the lobbyists are willing to go to defend their monopolies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe trademarks are the answer here. Most copyrighted works probably shouldn&#039;t be protected for as long as they currently are, but there are some works that are so iconic that releasing them into the public domain might not be a great idea, either. The current copyright term is almost explicitly geared towards the protection of a few iconic works (like Mickey Mouse) at the expense of overprotecting more ordinary works.

Precisely because those few iconic works have come to be identified with their creators (think Mickey Mouse and Disney), however, it seems plausible that they (or aspects of them) would qualify for trademark protection. Though potentially perpetual, that protection is in many respects more limited than copyright protection. Most conceivable non-commercial uses of the marks would probably be permitted (essentially expanding the scope of fair-use), but the mark owner would retain commercial rights. Moreover, the vast majority of copyrighted works would not qualify for trademark protection in the first place. If we combined substantially shortened copyright terms with (perhaps expanded) trademark protection for very well-known copyrighted works, we might be able to accommodate those few outlying works that deserve longer protection without excluding the vast majority of works from the public domain for longer than necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe trademarks are the answer here. Most copyrighted works probably shouldn&#8217;t be protected for as long as they currently are, but there are some works that are so iconic that releasing them into the public domain might not be a great idea, either. The current copyright term is almost explicitly geared towards the protection of a few iconic works (like Mickey Mouse) at the expense of overprotecting more ordinary works.</p>
<p>Precisely because those few iconic works have come to be identified with their creators (think Mickey Mouse and Disney), however, it seems plausible that they (or aspects of them) would qualify for trademark protection. Though potentially perpetual, that protection is in many respects more limited than copyright protection. Most conceivable non-commercial uses of the marks would probably be permitted (essentially expanding the scope of fair-use), but the mark owner would retain commercial rights. Moreover, the vast majority of copyrighted works would not qualify for trademark protection in the first place. If we combined substantially shortened copyright terms with (perhaps expanded) trademark protection for very well-known copyrighted works, we might be able to accommodate those few outlying works that deserve longer protection without excluding the vast majority of works from the public domain for longer than necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like that, so long as it&#039;s not a 100 year cap! That&#039;s almost as bad as it is now. I&#039;m more bothered by the overall length rather than the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like that, so long as it&#8217;s not a 100 year cap! That&#8217;s almost as bad as it is now. I&#8217;m more bothered by the overall length rather than the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Kamdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adi Kamdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or would a 5 year renewable warranty-like system, like Boyle mentions, work? Or 20 years (with a 100 year cap) like Landes and Posner? I kind of like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or would a 5 year renewable warranty-like system, like Boyle mentions, work? Or 20 years (with a 100 year cap) like Landes and Posner? I kind of like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what it would be like if we could provide a one-time compensation for copyright holders after the expiration of a 10 or 20 year copyright and if someone demonstrated significant interest in using the work. Then, the work could be become a part of the public domain. The cynic in me realizes this would never work for lobbying and logistical reasons, but it&#039;s worth a thought. Unfortunately, the lobbyist problem goes beyond copyright and the more people try to fight it, the more it flourishes (in particular, preemptive lobbying).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what it would be like if we could provide a one-time compensation for copyright holders after the expiration of a 10 or 20 year copyright and if someone demonstrated significant interest in using the work. Then, the work could be become a part of the public domain. The cynic in me realizes this would never work for lobbying and logistical reasons, but it&#8217;s worth a thought. Unfortunately, the lobbyist problem goes beyond copyright and the more people try to fight it, the more it flourishes (in particular, preemptive lobbying).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a class I took last semester on Capitalism and Its Critics, Gus Speth argued that campaign finance reform could lead to the advancement of the environment because politicians would be less beholden to corporate interests. Similarly, a major overhaul of campaign finance reform could result in a reduction of copyright duration. The Copyright Act of 1988 is often called the Mickey Mouse Protection Act because of the high number of Disney lobbyists paid to pressure senators and congressmen for enacting the bill. Considering the amount of money Disney spends on political campaign contributions-- available at http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000128--and the much higher amount given in total by all of the various entities that stand to benefit from longer a copyright duration, it is not surprising that legislators support copyright extension. Barack Obama has emphasized time in time again his commitment to making government more transparent, ethical and concerned with the interests of  ordinary American people rather than big business; perhaps we can look forward to new campaign finance laws that will have positive implications for copyright law.

In the words Upton Sinclair, &quot;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a class I took last semester on Capitalism and Its Critics, Gus Speth argued that campaign finance reform could lead to the advancement of the environment because politicians would be less beholden to corporate interests. Similarly, a major overhaul of campaign finance reform could result in a reduction of copyright duration. The Copyright Act of 1988 is often called the Mickey Mouse Protection Act because of the high number of Disney lobbyists paid to pressure senators and congressmen for enacting the bill. Considering the amount of money Disney spends on political campaign contributions&#8211; available at <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000128--and" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000128&#8211;and</a> the much higher amount given in total by all of the various entities that stand to benefit from longer a copyright duration, it is not surprising that legislators support copyright extension. Barack Obama has emphasized time in time again his commitment to making government more transparent, ethical and concerned with the interests of  ordinary American people rather than big business; perhaps we can look forward to new campaign finance laws that will have positive implications for copyright law.</p>
<p>In the words Upton Sinclair, &#8220;It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not understanding.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very curious to see what would happen if we went back to 10, 20 or 30 year copyrights instead of &gt;100 years. How do you think we can break the cycle of corruption and corporate fear that seems to drive copyrights longer and longer? As far as I can tell it is completely a lobbying problem, fueled by large media companies that push their own agenda through Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very curious to see what would happen if we went back to 10, 20 or 30 year copyrights instead of >100 years. How do you think we can break the cycle of corruption and corporate fear that seems to drive copyrights longer and longer? As far as I can tell it is completely a lobbying problem, fueled by large media companies that push their own agenda through Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://ipinthedigitalage.com/popeye-in-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit &quot;send&quot; too soon and didn&#039;t get a chance to add my compliments on a very well-written post.  You highlighted several of the most challenging problems in copyright law, which are raised by the Popeye case, including the conflict between copyright and trademark and the lack of harmonization among various countries&#039; copyright systems.  Nice work.

Best,
JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit &#8220;send&#8221; too soon and didn&#8217;t get a chance to add my compliments on a very well-written post.  You highlighted several of the most challenging problems in copyright law, which are raised by the Popeye case, including the conflict between copyright and trademark and the lack of harmonization among various countries&#8217; copyright systems.  Nice work.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
JL</p>
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		<title>By: Adi Kamdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adi Kamdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that the chart is CC BY-SA. I&#039;d put the name of the author on your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that the chart is CC BY-SA. I&#8217;d put the name of the author on your post.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://ipinthedigitalage.com/popeye-in-public-domain/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice chart?  Did you create it?  If not, where is it from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice chart?  Did you create it?  If not, where is it from?</p>
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